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Submitted by Caulaincourt (View user info) at 2009-09-21 20:43:17 EDT
As a canuck, I look forward to 2011 since it's the set date for canadian troops to withdraw from Afghanistan.
I hope my government doesn't cave to American pressure and leaves that hell hole.
First, regardless of what NATO treaties say, this war is none of our business. Despite what american drama queens say, that victims of 9-11 were simply ordinary people going to work boo fucking hoo, those attacks were merely a backlash of US foreign policies. By the way,is the massive collateral damage (aka killing ordinary people) inflicted by NATO and the Coalition of the Failing on both Afghanistan and Iraq deserved? Probably not.
Second, those attacks weren't that big when you think about it so why are we pouring so much ressources into a country that is such a tiny threat to the Western world's existence?
Third, as evidenced by the past, Afghanistan can't be occupied. And even if it was, what's the plan? Why are we attempting nation building in a country with zero infrastructure and security in central Asia, squeezed between Pakistan, Iran, China, Russia...of course, all nations who will TOTALLY help us in our ridiculous adventure or would NEVER undermine whatever puppet government we install when (if) we leave...in a milllenium maybe.
Fourth, have you noticed that the more they increase troops, the more we get reports of fighting with the Talibans who now apparently control 80% of the country? Seems to me that while the attention was on Iraq, we never really had a clue about Afghanistan, that NATO troops never really left their bases and main roads. Now that additional troops are going further into the country, looks like they're simply just clashing with locals...what we call "Talibans". My theory may be wrong, but clearly nobody wants us there. It's a fact that Karzaii's government is as corrupted as the war lords who run the show outside of Kabul.
So next time I get to vote, I will vote for the party who wants to leave Afghanistan, regadless of the rest of their platform. I encourage my fellow canucks to do the same :-)
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Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2009-09-27 01:05:07 EDT (#)
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Richard Clarke's "Your Government Failed You." My search of the index suggests the quote was not Wolfowitz's. Some other droid.
Submitted by lungfish (user info) at 2009-09-27 00:55:07 EDT (#)
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There was a time, fairly early in the war, when bin Laden was trapped. We had him, and he even recorded some "good-bye" recordings for his fans, and actually apologizing for some of the shit he got some of the soon-to-die into. Then, inexplicably, we ignored him. I think the quote from Wolfowitz was, "This isn't about bin Laden."
I'll see if I can find the source.
Submitted by Tokerson (user info) at 2009-09-27 00:35:11 EDT (#)
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As a fellow Canuck, I agree that we should leave ASAP.
You make valid points regardless of how horrible your grammar and spelling is.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-25 17:00:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2009-09-25 14:43:46 EDT (#)
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I disagree. Conservatives want to build a base up in Quebec, and the idea that they are american lapdogs anymore than any other party is partisan bullshit. They have other more important ideological items on their agenda that wouldn't be unviersally popular that they would rather pushthough under a majority and I don't think they would bother expending politcal points on the afghanistan issue. While it it a possibility they would extend the mission, it is jsut as likely if not more under a liberal govn't.
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if the Conservatives want to become the natural governing party of Canada, it's not gonna happen through Quebec, but Ontario. most of Quebec will keep going Liberals or Bloc no matter what. their platform just doesn't fit over here...they only slashed unimportant subsidies in culture and people went bersek. most of our very lefty french media calls them "ULTRA conservatives" or a "far right", which is so ridiculous it's not even worth arguing against, but it sticks in people's head.
I didn't say the Conservatives are american lapdogs. In fact, they are a little more serious in their foreign policies. But the Liberals do play the anti-american card a lot...it works, especially in the East. It can be a blessing in disguise since we didn't go to Iraq (the Tories would've went) and assuming they are in power in 2011, I'm sure they would leave.
Submitted by no1hasdis (user info) at 2009-09-25 14:43:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-25 14:13:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-25 13:52:21 EDT (#)
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I have a feeling Canada will continue to provide cannon fodder for quite some time.
KTHX
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hehe, funny comeback.
in all seriousness, our govt keeps repeating that our troops leave in 2011. we have no illusion that this might be bullshit, but maybe, like they did in Iraq, our officials will have a spine for once. that probably won't happen with Conservatives in power.
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I disagree. Conservatives want to build a base up in Quebec, and the idea that they are american lapdogs anymore than any other party is partisan bullshit. They have other more important ideological items on their agenda that wouldn't be unviersally popular that they would rather pushthough under a majority and I don't think they would bother expending politcal points on the afghanistan issue. While it it a possibility they would extend the mission, it is jsut as likely if not more under a liberal govn't.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-25 14:13:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-25 13:52:21 EDT (#)
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I have a feeling Canada will continue to provide cannon fodder for quite some time.
KTHX
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hehe, funny comeback.
in all seriousness, our govt keeps repeating that our troops leave in 2011. we have no illusion that this might be bullshit, but maybe, like they did in Iraq, our officials will have a spine for once. that probably won't happen with Conservatives in power.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-25 14:09:29 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-25 13:52:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MickGinny (user info) at 2009-09-25 12:51:25 EDT (#)
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Your "Government" will do whatever the fuck America tells them to do.
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i'm aware of that. that's why i wrote the second sentence of this post.
Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-25 13:52:21 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MickGinny (user info) at 2009-09-25 12:51:25 EDT (#)
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Your "Government" will do whatever the fuck America tells them to do.
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Good point, your major trading partner, and the worlds military powerhouse is right on your border. I have a feeling Canada will continue to provide cannon fodder for quite some time.
KTHX
Submitted by MickGinny (user info) at 2009-09-25 12:51:25 EDT (#)
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Your "Government" will do whatever the fuck America tells them to do.
Submitted by zeppert (user info) at 2009-09-25 12:10:22 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Liquidice281 (user info) at 2009-09-25 11:58:22 EDT (#)
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You're right -- the country is well past being salvageable. Get the troops out and nuke it from orbit. When the radiation dissipates we could probably reclaim it.
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Seriously great idea. If only the rest of the world would let the nuke be dropped. It'd be a perfect place for a parking lot.
Submitted by Liquidice281 (user info) at 2009-09-25 11:58:22 EDT (#)
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You're right -- the country is well past being salvageable. Get the troops out and nuke it from orbit. When the radiation dissipates we could probably reclaim it.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2009-09-25 03:23:43 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Cakes (user info) at 2009-09-25 03:15:21 EDT (#)
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ok, fuck -- that's burger kimg
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Are you reffering to your previous comment about mind expansion?
Because I tend to find that the world contracts to just me and my belly after eating an extra large bacond double cheeseburger.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2009-09-25 03:21:37 EDT (#)
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The other side of this that nobody has considered is that all soldiers are basically crooks. That's why so many of them end up in prison when they finish their tours. I mean just look at Hidden; he looks like Eric Rice so he must have done some pretty horrible shit.
Caul, if the soldiers came back it'd only be a matter of time before they were sniffing around your garbage and yelling drunkenly at you and your lady when you go to the shops.
Submitted by Cakes (user info) at 2009-09-25 03:15:21 EDT (#)
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ok, fuck -- that's burger kimg
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-25 02:23:26 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-24 21:30:42 EDT (#)
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If you don't like how things are being handled vote for the guy who wants to do it a different way.
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did you read the post?
"So next time I get to vote, I will vote for the party who wants to leave Afghanistan, regadless of the rest of their platform. I encourage my fellow canucks to do the same :-)"""
arguments must evolve REALLLLLYYYYYY slowly in your personal life.
Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-24 21:30:42 EDT (#)
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Well aparantly they keep SOME scumbags out. I don't see you in a uniform.
Right, and now here's what I was saying; If you read anything and were actually able to think past your next big chance to try and look cool on the internet. They DO get their say, every time they VOTE, so unless it's time for an election STFU and let the military do its fucking job without listening to a bunch of whiners complain about how we should do it differently. If you don't like how things are being handled vote for the guy who wants to do it a different way.
If you have better ideas either run for office or join the military and work your way up into a posistion that can change things. If you aren't doing any of those then SHUT THE FUCK UP because honestly, while you may have an opinion nobody in power really gives a rat's ass.
and don't tell me about thats not the way its supposed to be. That's the way it is.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-24 01:18:59 EDT (#)
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You said my opinion about this war should be taken with a grain of salt because I'm not an expert.
I responded that ordinary citizens, IN GENERAL, still get to chose whether our RESPECTIVE country should be at war or not. have you noticed i'm talking about canada pulling out in this post, not the US?
i was explaining to you that civilians have the right to say whatever they want, no matter how ill informed, since they fund this shit.
but since you reason like godamn chimp...you think i'm talking about me being your boss. which makes no fucking sense whatsover.
i know those military aptitude tests are ridiculously easy but i'm amazed you passed them.
Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-23 19:10:54 EDT (#)
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Fact is I really dont give 2 shits if Candian troops leave Afghanistan, take them, all 2,200 (a third of which are actual combat troops). Let me see if I follow your logic here because I'm so slow I just need to double check.
Civillians have the power to vote, they elect the president. The president is my commander in cheif. Therefore civillians are my boss. That what you are getting at?
Now here's what I am saying. You are right, AMERICAN civillians vote for the AMERICAN president who is the commander of the AMERICAN military. So in 3 years when we AMERICANS get to vote again we can excersise that power. You are CANADIAN. According to you I am slow, but I think that AMERICAN and CANADIAN are not the same thing.
So if I've got that right it means as I said before, you are not "the boss of me." That's why I don't care about your opinion. It would be like asking a farmer from Peru what he thinks of NASA's space mission agenda, he MAY have an opinion but who the fuck cares?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-23 18:10:46 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-23 17:55:13 EDT (#)
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You aren't a citizen of my country, so not even by your logic are you "the boss of me."
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fuck you're slow...it's fitting that you are in the military
Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-23 17:55:13 EDT (#)
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You aren't a citizen of my country, so not even by your logic are you "the boss of me."
You want the candians out of Afghanistan? Here, I grant you my official permission. As for getting your money back, I'll be sure to write my congressman about that! If you really want anyone to give a rat's ass about your opinion run for office.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-23 15:53:42 EDT (#)
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there's no point trolling here anymore. not enough traffic.
most of the replies are by the same few users.
stfu johhny
Submitted by JonnyX (user info) at 2009-09-23 15:34:06 EDT (#)
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lame attempt at trolling...you used to be so much more effective in the olden days, mon vieux.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-23 15:31:35 EDT (#)
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people are killed by IED's because they don't propperly recon the area before a convoy. It's called getting your 5's and 15's a large number of IED attacks wouldnt be successful if troops did this regularly, less training = less discipline = less alertness = more deaths. granted it's war and sometimes shit just happens so the problem would'nt go away, but it would be diminished.""""
that's interesting. i wish i gave a shit.
If we learned one lesson from vietnam it should have been not to allow the enemy a place to rest. Be it on the other side of a border or not. That is fighting with one hand tied. You will not goad me into yelling kill them all and then responding with ohh look at the bloodthirsty American. I don't want to kill them all. Only the ones that mean fight us. """
i'm not trying to goad you. you simply can't cross borders like that. if it could be done, it would've been done already. what if the enemy hid in china or russia...both bordering countries of Afghanistan. would you chase them over there too? say what you want, but public opinion has fuck all to do with this. it's simply constraints imposed by what is commonly called...reality. :-O saying you're fighting with a hand behind your back based on what you could do hypothically is called...an excuse. pretty much like when yanks say "we didn't lose in vietnam, we just left"
War is by nessecity brutal and cruel, the more brutal it is the faster it is over. """
That only makes sense if one side dominates the other entirely. I think we've seen more than enough neverending brutal and cruel conflicts.
Frankly, while I understand you have the right to an opinion, I will take it with a grain of salt. You have never fought in a war so I don't expect you to be an expert or even really know what is going on. Tell you what, why don't you go play some nice hockey and leave the war fighting to us?"""
I don't pretend to be an expert. I'm only reading the same reports that this war is failing. Like I said to that other military retard, the war is funded by taxpayers and we elect the people who send our troops over there. So while you may have expertise on the field, ordinary citizens are, indirectly, the boss of you. It works the same way in any business : the boss representing the shareholders, no matter how clueless you think he is, gets to decide. Think about that when you get laid off from McDonald's and start crying about how much of an expert you are at burger flipping.
Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-23 14:35:26 EDT (#)
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people are killed by IED's because they don't propperly recon the area before a convoy. It's called getting your 5's and 15's a large number of IED attacks wouldnt be successful if troops did this regularly, less training = less discipline = less alertness = more deaths. granted it's war and sometimes shit just happens so the problem would'nt go away, but it would be diminished.
If we learned one lesson from vietnam it should have been not to allow the enemy a place to rest. Be it on the other side of a border or not. That is fighting with one hand tied. You will not goad me into yelling kill them all and then responding with ohh look at the bloodthirsty American. I don't want to kill them all. Only the ones that mean fight us.
War is by nessecity brutal and cruel, the more brutal it is the faster it is over.
Frankly, while I understand you have the right to an opinion, I will take it with a grain of salt. You have never fought in a war so I don't expect you to be an expert or even really know what is going on. Tell you what, why don't you go play some nice hockey and leave the war fighting to us?
Submitted by The_taste_of_Monkeys (user info) at 2009-09-23 13:17:34 EDT (#)
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You can't win in Afghanistan. We proved it, the Soviets proved it and here we are 100 years later proving it all over again. What a fucking waste.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-23 13:15:01 EDT (#)
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You said you're fighting with one hand behind your back because of public opinion. How does public opinion affect the decision not to follow the enemy into pakistan? I doubt it has anything to do with what the people at home think. You seem to live in some imaginary world where foreign soldiers can cross any borders without risks of escalation or other consequences.
And you haven't answer my question...how does training affect casualty rates since most casualties are from IED's? Do Navy Seals have a mine sweeper implanted in their brain? Do they have special
technics to dodge explosions?
Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-23 12:36:07 EDT (#)
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I speculate that Canadian casualty rates are so high because of their poor training. Could be the French in them that tells them to lie down and die or maybe they're plain soft. Go ahead and withdraw. Let the U.S. Marines continue to take care of the terrorists. We'll gladly do it. I did a tour there. Fucking good times.
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ooo fucking rah!
Also since you were so nice as to ask no I would not kill every single afghan. I wouldn't allow national borders to get in the way of hunting down and killing the enemy, the enemy is hiding in pakistan? so be it, we cross the border, kill him and finish the day. I am not some bloodthirsty animal, I just want to win so we can go the fuck home. I dont want to occupy them forever I just dont want to leave a job unfinished.
ohh and as a side note, you wonder what the benefit of having a better trained soldier as opposed to a shitty one?
navy seals are the iconic special forces, the largest loss of navy seal life was what 4 or 5 of them?
ohh, no I'm not a cook. Infantry here. was with FAST for a while before I became an embassy guard.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2009-09-23 02:01:59 EDT (#)
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Submitted by zeppert (user info) at 2009-09-22 18:36:35 EDT (#)
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When I was there, the diplomatic relations between the locals and us were fine. We would roll slow through little villages and give food to people. There are quite a lot of humanitarian efforts going on at all times also to improve relations between them and us.
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sounds like the soft-side of the long ago Phoenix program in another land far far away
a neutral and sometimes hostile local population (check)
a corrupt governing regime with virtually no support outside the "nations" capital (check)
add to that a polyglot collection of conflicting political currents whose goals are local and NOT universal jihad
yeah right, we can fix?/change that
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-23 01:31:24 EDT (#)
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...are not funded*
sorry bout that.
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Submitted by zeppert (user info) at 2009-09-23 00:29:44 EDT (#)
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See, now that's where you're just a blatant fucking retard there, Caul. Not everyone in Afghanistan are terrorists, believe it or not. Some of them truly are innocent people that were born into a life of shit. Maybe the little girls and boys that I gave Snickers bars to will grow up and not hate Americans or Canadians or anyone else who has mostly white people living in their country. Until you take your ass to Afghanistan and witness what's going on there for yourself, I would recommend you shut the fuck up.
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until you get your orders from someone else than ELECTED officials funded by TAXPAYERS money, I would recommend that you shut the fuck up while ordinary citizens get to decide if you're gonna keep handing out Snicker bars and exhibiting your micropenis to Afghan children or not.
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2009-09-23 01:11:08 EDT (#)
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Conservatives are fun.
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 19:28:06 EDT (#)
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glad to see you're feeding the very people who plant IED's on the same road you slowly rolled on.
:-D
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See, now that's where you're just a blatant fucking retard there, Caul. Not everyone in Afghanistan are terrorists, believe it or not. Some of them truly are innocent people that were born into a life of shit. Maybe the little girls and boys that I gave Snickers bars to will grow up and not hate Americans or Canadians or anyone else who has mostly white people living in their country. Until you take your ass to Afghanistan and witness what's going on there for yourself, I would recommend you shut the fuck up.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 19:28:06 EDT (#)
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Submitted by zeppert (user info) at 2009-09-22 18:36:35 EDT (#)
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When I was there, the diplomatic relations between the locals and us were fine. We would roll slow through little villages and give food to people. There are quite a lot of humanitarian efforts going on at all times also to improve relations between them and us.
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glad to see you're feeding the very people who plant IED's on the same road you slowly rolled on.
:-D
Submitted by cheerios (user info) at 2009-09-22 19:23:13 EDT (#)
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don't try to outheat my post, faggot. IF OBAMA SCREWS UP HEALTHCARE, WHERE WILL ALL THE CANADIANS GO?? bitch.
Submitted by zeppert (user info) at 2009-09-22 18:36:35 EDT (#)
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When I was there, the diplomatic relations between the locals and us were fine. We would roll slow through little villages and give food to people. There are quite a lot of humanitarian efforts going on at all times also to improve relations between them and us. Try not to speak of what you don't know... I guess in that case, you'd be perpetually silent.
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Submitted by zeppert (user info) at 2009-09-22 16:05:10 EDT (#)
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I speculate that Canadian casualty rates are so high because of their poor training. Could be the French in them that tells them to lie down and die or maybe they're plain soft. Go ahead and withdraw. Let the U.S. Marines continue to take care of the terrorists. We'll gladly do it. I did a tour there. Fucking good times.
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These are the diplomatic geniuses you have on the ground over there, so you can only imagine that relations with the locals are wonderful.
Submitted by zeppert (user info) at 2009-09-22 16:05:10 EDT (#)
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I speculate that Canadian casualty rates are so high because of their poor training. Could be the French in them that tells them to lie down and die or maybe they're plain soft. Go ahead and withdraw. Let the U.S. Marines continue to take care of the terrorists. We'll gladly do it. I did a tour there. Fucking good times.
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Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2009-09-22 15:19:50 EDT (#)
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My bad. I just kind of figured someone as idiotic as you had to be faked. Well, congratulations on being unique.
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Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-22 11:27:49 EDT (#)
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Canada has the highest mortality rate because they deployed shit soldiers who havent seen real combat action since the 1940's into one of the hottest zones in Afghanistan against a determined, well supplied, unconventional enemy. Plain and simple. Don't tell me about how great your military is because I have been to Afghanistan and I worked with the canadians. There were a few OK units, but for the most part they are inept.
Also I dont think I am overestimating our influience or power. I will be the first to admit that if this was North Korea, Russia or China we would be up shits creek and in for a very long extremely bloody war. Afghanistan has a relatively small population fighting with 1960's and 70's technology. I will give credit where credit is due. They are great warriors, tough as nails, but the simple fact is that if America wasn't fighting with one hand tied to their balls worrying about public opinion this war would have been over about 5 years ago.
Chase the little fuckers into pakistan, compensate their government for it. I hate to see innocent people die, but we are fighting an idea, people have ideas, kill all of the people and you kill the idea.
And no Tom, I'm not a fuckin' alter I've been a member of this peice of shit for years.
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First off, Canadian troops have seen combat many times since the 1940's. Canadian units fought in the Korean War and also say much combat on UN "peacekeeping" missions in places the former Yugoslavia.
Second, As for Canadians un Afghanistan being inept, dude I really have to question your own involvement. If you were over Afghanistan, it was likely in a non-combat logistics role because you could not have worked with a Canadian infantry regiment. Perhaps you were a cook. EVERY American combat facing solider that I have ever talked to has nothing but positive things to say about Canadian troops. We may not have the equipment of the Americans, but our training is second to none. Go to Ft. Benning and ask one of the instructors of the Ranger Course how the Canadians are when the do the course on an exchange. More often than not they top it.
Third, Method's Mom is a whore. She's fucked more black guys than FEMA.
Fourth, don't pull out the American Vietnam excuse of "if our hands weren't tied we could win this war" bullshit. You can't win that war because you can't win the hearts and minds of the people of Afghanistan. Sure you can blitzkrieg into a village, but you can't hold it for long before IEDs start sending your guys home in pieces. What's your idea of having your hands untied, being allowed to carpet bomb every last Afghani to hell? It's that very mentality that made you lose Vietnam and make a fucking mess out of Iraq.
Submitted by kitchens_closed (user info) at 2009-09-22 12:40:43 EDT (#)
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I agree with everything you've said, but its nothing I haven't heard before.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 12:25:40 EDT (#)
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oh and iambetteratit, tell me...what could the US do more than it is doing now if it wasn't for "public opinion"?
nuke the whole area? kill every civilian in sight?
i'm sure this would sit well with the rest of the world.
what you call "public opinion" is simply reality. you can't do anything you feel like in a foreign country without risking the little capital of sympathy you have left.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 12:19:38 EDT (#)
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Submitted by MudWhistle (user info) at 2009-09-22 12:12:19 EDT (#)
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How Ron Paulian of you.
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really?
then i guess i'm ETS new best friend! :-D
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 12:17:56 EDT (#)
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i'm not gonna go on a debate on the quality of canadian soldiers. i'm not a jingoistic moron like most people who think their respective armed force is da best!!11 if it was for me, we would only even have an army. though i do wonder how it changes anything that a soldier is a ninja navy seal or some canuck bagpipe player when most of the casualties are IED's.
anyway, that wasn't the point. you said our contribution is insignificant. if taht is the case, then i'm sure your govt will stop pressuring its allies to increase their involvment and while you're at it, give us our money back and stfu.
if you think the US is in position to occupy random countries on the other side of the planet, all the more power to you. i wish you good luck. i hope you won't mind if some of us have no interest in staying there...our contribution is irrelevant after all.
have a good beheading.
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2009-09-22 04:13:56 EDT (#)
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Apollo's right though. It's too fucking late to go back now.
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this argument is old. war hawks use to say the same about Viet Nam and when the US left it didn't turn into a butchery.
and if we're so virtuous, why are we not assisting every nation in conflict? we left countries like Congo or Somalia kill each others by the thousands before we even heard about it our media.
let's stop pretending. you don't really give a shit about these people, neither do i. the only reason we want to stay there is because we want to save face.
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How Ron Paulian of you.
Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-22 11:27:49 EDT (#)
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Canada has the highest mortality rate because they deployed shit soldiers who havent seen real combat action since the 1940's into one of the hottest zones in Afghanistan against a determined, well supplied, unconventional enemy. Plain and simple. Don't tell me about how great your military is because I have been to Afghanistan and I worked with the canadians. There were a few OK units, but for the most part they are inept.
Also I dont think I am overestimating our influience or power. I will be the first to admit that if this was North Korea, Russia or China we would be up shits creek and in for a very long extremely bloody war. Afghanistan has a relatively small population fighting with 1960's and 70's technology. I will give credit where credit is due. They are great warriors, tough as nails, but the simple fact is that if America wasn't fighting with one hand tied to their balls worrying about public opinion this war would have been over about 5 years ago.
Chase the little fuckers into pakistan, compensate their government for it. I hate to see innocent people die, but we are fighting an idea, people have ideas, kill all of the people and you kill the idea.
And no Tom, I'm not a fuckin' alter I've been a member of this peice of shit for years.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 10:50:39 EDT (#)
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canadian casualties are high because they are deployed in kandahar, which was the most dangerous region of the country and still remains pretty volatile. now the worse place is hemland.
from what i've read anyway.
Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2009-09-22 10:31:31 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-21 23:22:12 EDT (#)
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lol seriously, your contributions to the war effort are minimal to say the least.
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is that right?
canada has suffered the highest casualty rate in the shitty region its been deployed in. you are more than welcome to take their place, rambo. and i suppose you would be kind of enough to give us back the minimal amount of money we threw into that conflict.
thank you in advance
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Not very good at the soldiering business the Canadians, ey? :)
Sorry, but I just got a mental image of the other soldiers with their guns, flak jackets and night vision. While the Canadians are running around with swords and rifles wearing the old french guard uniform.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 10:18:28 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2009-09-22 04:13:56 EDT (#)
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Apollo's right though. It's too fucking late to go back now.
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this argument is old. war hawks use to say the same about Viet Nam and when the US left it didn't turn into a butchery.
and if we're so virtuous, why are we not assisting every nation in conflict? we left countries like Congo or Somalia kill each others by the thousands before we even heard about it our media.
let's stop pretending. you don't really give a shit about these people, neither do i. the only reason we want to stay there is because we want to save face.
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2009-09-22 07:16:07 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-21 21:05:44 EDT (#)
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whether it's 10%, 20% or 80%...it's not the point.
there's certainly an increase in "insurgent activity", after 8 years, with tens of thousands of troops in this third world country...if they haven't been tamed by now, I don't expect they will be in the future.
so it's time to gtfo
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You had a point about why they haven't been "tamed". If they chose to avoid them it was pretty easy to stay out of the way of UN forces. They don't have that option as much anymore.
Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2009-09-22 04:13:56 EDT (#)
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Or maybe he isn't right? I mean the Russians were there and did a lot of rotton shit, then they just fucked off. The Afghans don't seem much bothered about the Russians anymore. It's not as if the Afghans have anything better than an oral history. They'll have forgotton how to spell US in a generation. Then again, what about the Pakis? We can't very much leave them out to dry otherwise it might disadvantage the Indians who are our real friends.
Nah, we'll probably be there for generations.
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Wouldn't leaving the Pakis out to dry help our friends the indians? Overall bad for the region west of Paki and the ME, but good for india.
Submitted by forensicgirl3 (user info) at 2009-09-22 07:12:43 EDT (#)
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Won't matter anyway. Even if we all spend the next 20 years building up and stablizing it, it'll go right back down the toilet 5 years after we all pull out because there will always be a faction over there that wants to send the middle east back to the bronze age.
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2009-09-22 06:16:34 EDT (#)
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The only thing I care about regarding the war in Afghanistan is what Rambo III thinks of it. I mean, when the Mujihadeen leader told Rambo "It's not your war" and Rambo said "It is now" he chose to take sides with the Mujihadeen. So what must he be thinking now that the US is fighting against his old allies?
This shit keeps me awake at night.
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Mousa: This is Afghanistan... Alexander the Great try to conquer this country... then Genghis Khan, then the British. Now Russia. But Afghan people fight hard, they never be defeated. Ancient enemy make prayer about these people... you wish to hear?
Rambo: Um-hum.
Mousa: Very good. It says, 'May God deliver us from the venom of the Cobra, teeth of the tiger, and the vengeance of the Afghan.' Understand what this means?
Rambo: That you guys don't take any shit?
Mousa: Yes... something like this.
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Submitted by Berty (user info) at 2009-09-22 04:13:56 EDT (#)
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The Canadian casulty rate has been pretty horrific. Something like 250 dead out of a few thousand? Heaven knows how many others were injured.
Apollo's right though. It's too fucking late to go back now. We'll just have to try to build Israel and Palestine upon that sandy, mountain ridden, land.
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Or maybe he isn't right? I mean the Russians were there and did a lot of rotton shit, then they just fucked off. The Afghans don't seem much bothered about the Russians anymore. It's not as if the Afghans have anything better than an oral history. They'll have forgotton how to spell US in a generation. Then again, what about the Pakis? We can't very much leave them out to dry otherwise it might disadvantage the Indians who are our real friends.
Nah, we'll probably be there for generations.
Submitted by Cakes (user info) at 2009-09-22 02:28:32 EDT (#)
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Caulaincourt, order "The Unknown Reality" by Jane Roberts instead, you'll begin to see what the Seth Material is, and your mind cannot help but unfold four or five times as you read. It will close back up, but not totally.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 02:22:51 EDT (#)
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i have no idea what you're talking about. i'll have to consult my ouija board.
Submitted by Cakes (user info) at 2009-09-22 02:15:51 EDT (#)
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I did, but dismissed most of it as re-re- Abraham-Hicks material, and to take it farther re-re-hashed Seth material. (The Seth Material cannot be dismissed lightly.) Although not all of that book you mentioned--didn't see the movie, I have it though--is not something I would give to a friend. Fluff.
Submitted by rob_berg (user info) at 2009-09-22 02:14:21 EDT (#)
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Good tip.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 02:08:18 EDT (#)
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cakes, you read "the Secret" didn't you?
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 02:07:09 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-21 23:22:12 EDT (#)
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Honestly us and the Brits can handle it.
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wasn't it William Buckley, one of the founders of modern american conservatism who said that neocons grossly overestimate the reach of US power and influence?
i think he was right and i think you need to realize that life is not a marvel comic film.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-22 02:00:12 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-21 23:22:12 EDT (#)
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lol seriously, your contributions to the war effort are minimal to say the least.
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is that right?
canada has suffered the highest casualty rate in the shitty region its been deployed in. you are more than welcome to take their place, rambo. and i suppose you would be kind of enough to give us back the minimal amount of money we threw into that conflict.
thank you in advance
Submitted by Cakes (user info) at 2009-09-22 01:58:11 EDT (#)
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The only streak you have, and I've read your posts, is being a frightened soul in an uncertain world. To use the word enlightened has far too long been considered a negative--look at the world around us all--when it's actually a call to simply awaken, and see yourself in others, and others within yourself. This is compassion, the highest form of love. Within the quantum field this is all important--- all is intricately interconnected-- but it should be as important particularly now on the macro field.
--Miss Cakes
Submitted by Phallic_Cymbals (user info) at 2009-09-22 01:57:45 EDT (#)
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Submitted by Cakes (user info) at 2009-09-22 00:30:28 EDT (#)
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It is noteworthy that over 80% of our brains have yet to be activated
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By "noteworthy" you mean "totally fictional", right?
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2009-09-22 01:46:20 EDT (#)
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hahahahahahahaha.
'unenlightened'
seriously, has that schtick ever gotten you laid?
no, really youre unique and really really smart and stuff because you once read somewhere that we, like, only use, like, about 10% of our brains, but then you, like, stopped reading and didnt, like, put any sort of inquiry in psychology and in particular the bits on how the brain works, because you was too busy smoking some weed and reflecting how fucking dharma you are.
every single person ive ever met or spoken to that uses the word 'enlightened' or its negative in a serious way while speaking about spirituality, and in particular about themselves or others has been a total fucking douchebag. congrats on helping me maintain my streak.
Submitted by Cakes (user info) at 2009-09-22 01:32:05 EDT (#)
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Unenlightened drone below.
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2009-09-22 01:12:10 EDT (#)
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gaylord below.
Submitted by Cakes (user info) at 2009-09-22 00:30:28 EDT (#)
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Killing—regardless of the country one does it for—is murder. That is our world today: sanctioned murder, large-scale murder. Until people change, and put down their guns, this will never stop.
Of course, people cannot do this, on their own. They never have. It is noteworthy that over 80% of our brains have yet to be activated; when this activation occurs, it will seem like a dark-age time we are now living in, when people were simply walking around unconscious, doing only what those before them had.
We are not physical beings who have occasional spiritual experiences; we are spiritual beings having a (necessary/learning) physical experience.
School's almost out, forever.
Submitted by Tom (user info) at 2009-09-21 23:28:07 EDT (#)
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Alter below?
Also, yes.
Submitted by iambetteratit (user info) at 2009-09-21 23:22:12 EDT (#)
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Go ahead and leave! lol seriously, your contributions to the war effort are minimal to say the least. Take the French with you (except the legionaires, leave them. They are useful!) Honestly us and the Brits can handle it. Go back to smoking pot and sucking dick you queer head flapping canadian.
Submitted by icarus1987 (user info) at 2009-09-21 23:20:25 EDT (#)
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It's an idiotic war. Really, if we wanted to do the whole "retaliatory strike" thing, we should have just Hiroshima'd the place and gotten the fuck out. It would have cost us respect, but no nearly as much as the hissyfit we threw over 9/11 and the resulting conflicts in countries that had nothing to do with it (until now anyway). This whole "we're spreading Freedom" bullshit is like the Fox News version of the Crusades, and we all know how well those went.
Submitted by joedaddy (user info) at 2009-09-21 22:56:32 EDT (#)
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Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2009-09-21 21:49:22 EDT (#)
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all this expensive ordinance isnt gonna fire itself at brown people.
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besides the 5-6 point bump on the US unemployment graph
Submitted by TuTs (user info) at 2009-09-21 22:51:06 EDT (#)
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I was under the impression that Osama was hiding out in the no mans land between Pakistan and Afganistan and if the Coalition of the stupid set foot in there the tribal leaders will blow that region to bits. I think what people want is for the governments to be honest,
"Yeah we fucked up and we can't win. But we are too ashamed to admit this, so instead we are going to fight this unwinnable war, put in a puppet government that will be either corrupt or overthrown within a week. Or if we were allowed to have some real fun and we would set off our new smart bombs, it would have to be secret though because we don't want to face UN condemnation (yeah like they do fuck all).But we won't because no one likes a bully, plus we are scared shitless of those commy/muslim bastards wiping out the human race because we don't believe in God, but they do. So while they go fuck virgins, we go to enternity."
Well I don't even know what I wrote up there but it was fun...
Submitted by iddqd (user info) at 2009-09-21 21:49:22 EDT (#)
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all this expensive ordinance isnt gonna fire itself at brown people.
who gives a fuck about it. if its somehow in our nations interest to fight there, then fuck it - let em go. most of the soldiers that go there are probably stoked to actually get to see some action, so they can feel as tough as their (great-)granddads who fought in a real war, not to mention the frequent rape opportunities.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-21 21:23:06 EDT (#)
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apollo, i know my "analysis" is simplistic as hell. i wrote this in a few minutes.
i would agree with the moral duty argument if we applied it on every place that could use our help in this world and god knows that there are many.
futhermore, i don't see the morality in just putting boots on the ground with no real concrete plan.
Submitted by willartstorg (user info) at 2009-09-21 21:19:07 EDT (#)
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We need to gtfo of Afghanistan AND Iraq. We aren't trying to kick ass and win. We are playing the same bullshit games we played in Vietnam 40 years ago. Bin Laden should have been captured years ago, but I think someone stands to make a lot of money by prolonging the war, just like Vietnam.
Let them all die on the vine.
Submitted by apollo88 (user info) at 2009-09-21 21:14:34 EDT (#)
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its not as simple as that though and there genuinely are people who want us there.
Regions where girls can now go to school etc.
As much as I don't think we should have gone there now we are we have a moral duty to make it work - which obviously won't be easy.
Submitted by Caulaincourt (user info) at 2009-09-21 21:05:44 EDT (#)
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whether it's 10%, 20% or 80%...it's not the point.
there's certainly an increase in "insurgent activity", after 8 years, with tens of thousands of troops in this third world country...if they haven't been tamed by now, I don't expect they will be in the future.
so it's time to gtfo
Submitted by indoninja (user info) at 2009-09-21 20:51:56 EDT (#)
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Insurgent activity =/= control.
Although the CS Monitor was the only place I have seen that 80% figure.